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edit: Thanks to the others for links. I’m pretty sure that if those were ads for Christianity, someone would be offended and demand that they be removed. So why are we allowing it to go on?
Above the bus windows it says Islam was the way of life for Noah (and others). I realize that “Islam” means “submission to God”, so I know that’s what they are implying, but they are wrong when it seems to imply that Noah got down on a prayer rug 5 times a day, etc.
It would help if you could provide a link here to a picture/story, otherwise its hard to make a proper comment without the information – what ads? Without the link, a good answer is impossible.
Hopefully there’s a disclaimer on the phone line along the lines of “The answers we give you are subject to al-Takeyya*”
*sometimes written al-Taqiyya or taqiyah, it is the allowance in Islam for lying in the cause of spreading Islam. It has examples in Hadith…
From the translation of Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.” (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the ‘Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you.” Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as ‘Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. ” have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best ‘Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.”
I think it is interesting that if a Christian group put an advertisement on a city bus. Many groups would be up in arms saying that the city is promoting religion. Demanding the ads be removed from any city run operation.
Yet somehow this is considered ok?
I’m confused by the double standard.
For like it or not, we can not forbid one group from promoting a religion via government run operations (in this case buses) and then turn a blind eye when another does what the first is forbidden to do.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’m not in Chicago. What do these ads look like?
edit: Thanks to the others for links. I’m pretty sure that if those were ads for Christianity, someone would be offended and demand that they be removed. So why are we allowing it to go on?
October 29th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Haven’t seen that in the UK.
What is it?
Right – got it – like to see it appear in New York.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
The lettering is too large.
Above the bus windows it says Islam was the way of life for Noah (and others). I realize that “Islam” means “submission to God”, so I know that’s what they are implying, but they are wrong when it seems to imply that Noah got down on a prayer rug 5 times a day, etc.
But advertising always stretches the truth.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 pm
what do you think about islam schools here in america teaching children to kill infidels….send em all back in the buses.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:18 am
How do you feel about all of the loudmouth preacher on TV all over this country?
November 7th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Found the link for the pic. Interesting. Freedom of speech.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
wow, are these buses subsidised with government funds?
,-Islam-subway-ads-cause-stir-in-New-York,CNN
November 10th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
It would help if you could provide a link here to a picture/story, otherwise its hard to make a proper comment without the information – what ads? Without the link, a good answer is impossible.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:38 am
If those buses are owned by the city and the drivers employed by the city, it is dead wrong.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Hopefully there’s a disclaimer on the phone line along the lines of “The answers we give you are subject to al-Takeyya*”
*sometimes written al-Taqiyya or taqiyah, it is the allowance in Islam for lying in the cause of spreading Islam. It has examples in Hadith…
From the translation of Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.” (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the ‘Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you.” Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as ‘Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. ” have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best ‘Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.”
November 17th, 2008 at 1:05 am
I think its great! Inshallah, more people will be aware of Islam!
There is no god but Allah (SWT), and Mohammed (SAW) is his messenger.
November 17th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I think it is interesting that if a Christian group put an advertisement on a city bus. Many groups would be up in arms saying that the city is promoting religion. Demanding the ads be removed from any city run operation.
Yet somehow this is considered ok?
I’m confused by the double standard.
For like it or not, we can not forbid one group from promoting a religion via government run operations (in this case buses) and then turn a blind eye when another does what the first is forbidden to do.
May Our Creator watch over you and your family.